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Every so often I find time to talk to [livejournal.com profile] atziluth about random things like the Enneagram and Ayurvedic medicine that he spends his time on. He actually knows this stuff, I just pick up a bit from him and occasionally contrast it with stuff I *do* have a clue about.

Every so often, according to Ayurvedic medicine, something happens. I forget what the word for it in Sanskrit is, but it means something like "Saturn return" and has to do with the planet Saturn being in a particular section of the sky or perhaps moving retrograde. Ignore those specifics for a minute because I'm fuzzy on them. But there's a period of about seven years where you've got some new and specific worries - where you're effectively trying to satisfy a cranky old man (Saturn, roughly personified). During that time discipline and self-control are reasonably rewarded, and indulgence and squandering are punished unusually harshly. Again, imagine a cranky old man was getting a larger-than-usual say in the consequences of your actions.

Why do I bring this up? Because mine, according to [livejournal.com profile] atziluth, started about two years ago, so I've got five more to go. Because I think I've just gotten used to it... Being strong and disciplined lately and trading some self-denial for some new and important skills has been paying off for me remarkably well.

Because I need to get myself to do more of that, maybe I'll think about my Saturn Return more often if I mention it here :-)

It's time I get myself back into classes. Not college. But classes, or their very definite equivalent.

Date: 2004-10-27 11:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plymouth.livejournal.com
It's time I get myself back into classes. Not college. But classes, or their very definite equivalent.

I keep thinking that. Significant learning is missing from my life. Why am I not doing it? Oh. Right. Because I feel like I barely have time for everything I am doing now. *sigh*

Date: 2004-10-27 11:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ironangel
wow. that would make so much sense. any idea how one finds this out, short of knowinbg your friend? :)

Date: 2004-10-27 12:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelbob.livejournal.com
Not a clue. If you know him and he knows your birth date (and time?) he can find it. But I don't know where the equivalent information would be available.

Date: 2004-10-27 12:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atziluth.livejournal.com
say hello, ask, etc. :]

By the way it's called "Sadhe Sati". For complex reasons, your first third is likely to be the worst of it, but that metaphor will hold correct for another five years or so.

It's interesting you should bring it up today. Flipping through my notes,
today is a pretty big day for you. You are leaving your Venus-Jupiter transit which you have been living since 2002 and entering your Venus-Saturn transit which you will occupy till late 2007. Enjoy.

Date: 2004-10-27 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelbob.livejournal.com
Hm. So going from Venus-Jupiter to Venus-Saturn means the first third is over? Or is that a different event? The description (Venus leaves Jupiter and enters Saturn) has a "nastier" rather than "less nasty" sound to it, but I may be misunderstanding.

While there is *ample* room for today to be a big day for me, it was also a hell of a weekend. For that matter, Monday probably also qualifies as especially relevant, though for different reasons.

Date: 2004-10-27 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atziluth.livejournal.com
No, they are different things completely.

Date: 2004-10-27 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blacksheep-lj.livejournal.com
I'll bite.

If it's not too much trouble, I'd love to hear what you have to say about me. My birthdate is April 1, 1974, around 12:40am (I'd have to go look it up to find the time to the minute), in Los Angeles.

You can contact me via my gmail address - blacksheep.

Date: 2004-10-27 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] papertygre.livejournal.com
What did [livejournal.com profile] atziluth say the ages of the saturn return were?

Date: 2004-10-28 07:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelbob.livejournal.com
He didn't, at least to me. Just that it happens for one seven-year period out of every *mumble*-year period. (He didn't mumble, I just don't remember).

*not* saturn return

Date: 2004-10-28 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atziluth.livejournal.com
this is something completely different, the saturn return is the point in your life where saturn has cone completely round to the same point as when you were born -- about age 30. It's used mainly in Western astrology.

Sadhe Sati is a completely different animal, and for context one-third of humanity is in it at any given time. It's impact varies depending on personal factors. It's of interest as mine was devastating (I'm still studying the myriad of ways my chart says "stick your head in a hole and don't come out till 2005"). I think it's over now; I got my final kiss from it a few months ago.

Classical stories of sadhe sati involve kings being reduced to beggars, people losing limbs, death of family members, etc.

Re: *not* saturn return

Date: 2004-10-28 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelbob.livejournal.com
Ah, okay. Your pardon on the confused terminology. I had associated the phrase "Saturn Return" incorrectly with what was, in fact, Sadhe Sati.

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