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noahgibbs ([personal profile] noahgibbs) wrote2010-06-01 08:54 am

A Request to Women Working in Tech

A friend recently said something about which, as Shanna's father, I feel conflicted.

She said that as a woman working in technology, she wouldn't recommend that other women enter the field. She's a system administrator. So, while she's not a computer programmer like myself, she's in a very similar field with mostly similar interpersonal dynamics. That is to say, what she says almost certainly applies to my field if it applies to hers. And as an actual woman working in technology, her experience is going to be significantly more accurate than my from-the-outside impressions.

I'm not going to repeat her reasons here. Rather, I'd be very curious whether other women working in technical fields, especially system administration and/or programming, felt the same way. Anybody care to comment? When you comment, please let me know what you do/did in technology. For some of you, I'll know offhand. For many of you, I'll have forgotten. For anybody who comments, there may be other readers who don't know/remember.

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[identity profile] noirem.livejournal.com 2010-06-03 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
There's a quote I like, originally from the bible but I picked it up from West Wing: Sufficient unto the day are the evils therein. Don't borrow trouble. And yes, I merely meant that things will be different. Better? Worse? Who knows. But I think that backing away from teaching Shanna to program from an early age because it's an awful field for women now is the wrong thing to worry about.

You guys are very conscientiously raising her to be her own person and I have faith in your ability to communicate that some people are assholes and assholes congregate with other assholes so you tend to find a lot of them together and to pick her assholes.

That said, I think it's good that Noah is now conciously looking for this particular form of misogyny in the world around him as being aware of it -> noticing when it happens -> being able to say "that's not okay" -> less misogyny in 15-20 years when Shanna may be looking for a career in programming or sys-admin or any field where similarly conscientious men have been telling other men to be people and not assholes. But I figured that was a given so I didn't mention it in my first resposne :o)

Also, don't discount the power of Barbie with her name spelt in binary across her bright pink shirt to change the hearts and minds of an industry.*

*yes, that was tongue-in-cheek.